Humana dental would be this magical D scene and I just like, I was hooked. I'm like whoa, I don't really like electrical engineering the way it's taught but I can sort of dive in from this angle and learn all I can about electronics, computer science, electricity and magnetism, chemistry, human
visual system, coding, the whole thing. And just, I sort of focused on it from that lens to get through it in a way that I could love it. - So when did you realize that you could actually study this in your formal education? Did you always kind of know that or when it did come, change from being
maybe something you're interested in, the hobby to you realizing that you could actually study this? - Oh, well my parents as I mentioned, I grew up not wealthy and they said they'd help me pay for
the best school I could get into as long as I majored in electrical engineering. Today that might be computer science and they were quite serious. I wanted to be an English major, I didn't know what
I wanted to be but I liked everything. Like you, you're a Berkeley, you're probably good at everything, your test scores are off the charts, you can probably do whatever you want to do. You
just have to want it, that's the problem. And so what do you love enough to pour yourself, all of you into. And so I had to get the electrical engineering degree or I would have had to pull out of
school but I tried to leverage it in this way. But then the Media Lab, the MIT Media Lab was starting up and they had taken somebody,